Posts by Happy Harvester

if what is going on with this "trevorgate" thing is true, i think it is best to simply make a donation to a good cause, instead of directly to the person, unless you have absoulute, direct contact with the situation entirely.

because of my awakenings about all of my own family and jw mental health issues - and in light of the info i've come across today about linda and trevor - i am inspired to make donations to nami and other mental health organizations in the name of "trevor s." and other deluded or abusive people who seriously need help.. there are enough stressors and depressers in my life, without trying to help people who have imaginary problems, (although i don't doubt they too need help - just not the kind of help i can offer!).

if a person or people are laughing at us for our desire to reach out, be humane, offer compassion and act as a family in the way that many of us have been denied by the wtb&ts, the person perpetrating the hoax is so deeply damaged that seeking to punish him/her is counterproductive; however, he/she definitely needs to be confronted and face the natural consequences.

Happy Harvester

So true, cg. I think I'm done with this.

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On sending money and flowers to posters in loss . . .

by Happy Harvester in

if what is going on with this "trevorgate" thing is true, i think it is best to simply make a donation to a good cause, instead of directly to the person, unless you have absoulute, direct contact with the situation entirely.

because of my awakenings about all of my own family and jw mental health issues - and in light of the info i've come across today about linda and trevor - i am inspired to make donations to nami and other mental health organizations in the name of "trevor s." and other deluded or abusive people who seriously need help.. there are enough stressors and depressers in my life, without trying to help people who have imaginary problems, (although i don't doubt they too need help - just not the kind of help i can offer!).

if a person or people are laughing at us for our desire to reach out, be humane, offer compassion and act as a family in the way that many of us have been denied by the wtb&ts, the person perpetrating the hoax is so deeply damaged that seeking to punish him/her is counterproductive; however, he/she definitely needs to be confronted and face the natural consequences.

Happy Harvester

I totally, agree, HL. I'm just saying that if people are going to pull this kind of prank (or if they actually believe their imaginary dilemmas), it's a good idea to be very circumspect about how to help others in need.

I've never been to an apostafest or personally met anyone on this board, and I sometimes wonder about whether or not I'm wasting my time, but regardless of whether or not anyone else's problems are real, mine are real, at least to me, and it's good to have a place to go vent and talk with people who have been there done that.

True empathy and sympathy are never wasted because they help us grow, one way or the other; it's getting resentful or stingey over getting screwed once in a while that makes us all sicker. I'm very much into self-protection and boundaries these days, and want to heal myself, as much as I want others to be well, too.

It's healthy to share, but it's not healthy to enable sickness; sometimes we do it unwittingly, I guess. That doesn't mean everybody's an impostor, but the nature of this board and the JW organization makes it challenging sometimes to feel safe and make true connections with others here.

Anyhoo, this whole situation of fraudsters and impostors is a bummer and makes me feel more isolated than I already am. I hope I make some real friends here someday with whom I feel truly safe - to actually go out and meet them and talk with them - without worrying that I've made friends with someone who truns out to be mean-crazy as all get-out. I've had enough of that.

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On sending money and flowers to posters in loss . . .

by Happy Harvester in

if what is going on with this "trevorgate" thing is true, i think it is best to simply make a donation to a good cause, instead of directly to the person, unless you have absoulute, direct contact with the situation entirely.

because of my awakenings about all of my own family and jw mental health issues - and in light of the info i've come across today about linda and trevor - i am inspired to make donations to nami and other mental health organizations in the name of "trevor s." and other deluded or abusive people who seriously need help.. there are enough stressors and depressers in my life, without trying to help people who have imaginary problems, (although i don't doubt they too need help - just not the kind of help i can offer!).

if a person or people are laughing at us for our desire to reach out, be humane, offer compassion and act as a family in the way that many of us have been denied by the wtb&ts, the person perpetrating the hoax is so deeply damaged that seeking to punish him/her is counterproductive; however, he/she definitely needs to be confronted and face the natural consequences.

Happy Harvester

. . . if what is going on with this "trevorgate" thing is true, I think it is best to simply make a donation to a good cause, instead of directly to the person, unless you have absoulute, direct contact with the situation entirely.

Because of my awakenings about all of my own family and JW mental health issues - and in light of the info I've come across today about Linda and Trevor - I am inspired to make donations to NAMI and other mental health organizations in the name of "Trevor S." and other deluded or abusive people who seriously need help.

There are enough stressors and depressers in my life, without trying to help people who have imaginary problems, (although I don't doubt they too need help - just not the kind of help I can offer!).

If a person or people are laughing at us for our desire to reach out, be humane, offer compassion and act as a family in the way that many of us have been denied by the WTB&TS, the person perpetrating the hoax is so deeply damaged that seeking to punish him/her is counterproductive; however, he/she definitely needs to be confronted and face the natural consequences.

If they've benefitted financially in any way from such a hoax, they should find a way to pay it back to the people who were duped, or should be institutionalized where they can get the help they really need.

This is very sad for everyone involved. It makes me sick.

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Trevor Alert!

by JWdaughter in

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on a recent discussion on topix, a person there was making some claims and some lies and then laughing and joking about how all apostates are so gullible and it is so easy to make up stories and mislead.

their point was about the bible and our 'experiences'.

since that is so fresh in my mind, i think that one thing this 'eagleeye' poster stated that you might want to be aware of was that soon very soon they plan on pulling a big one over on apostates and then writing some tell all book about how stupid(we) all are(he used the word "hoax" more than once, if i recall).

Happy Harvester

WHAT?!!! I thought moderators and others here knew these people well and were involved actively in their lives . . . HUH?!

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Armageddon = Cancer ?

by RollerDaughter in

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here's some food for thought.... the center for science in the public interest tries to control everything we eat, thinking that everything causes cancer.

there's always something new that causes cancer!.

the witness try to control everything we do, thinking that everything is a sign that armageddon is near..... maybe there's some kind of parallel there.. what do you think?

Happy Harvester

big difference between science "in the public interest" and cult control, I think.

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The Third Chimpanzee by Jared Diamond

by Happy Harvester in

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i am reading this now.

i think we should have a book discussion group at this forum.

any takers?

Happy Harvester

I am reading this now. Anyone else? I think we should have a book discussion group at this forum. Any takers? Science for beginners? Philosophy for old farts? niteynite!

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Wow! Nobel Winner Says Blacks Less Intelligent

by Justitia Themis in

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/tech/science/10/18/science.race/index.html.

a british museum has canceled a lecture by dr. james watson, co-discoverer of the dna double helix, after he claimed black people are less intelligent than whites in a recent newspaper interview.. watson, who won the 1962 nobel prize for his part in discovering the structure of dna, provoked a storm of criticism after his comments were published in the sunday times.. the eminent biologist told the british newspaper he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours -- whereas all the testing says not really.".

watson, 79, had been due to give a lecture at london's science museum on friday but the museum canceled his appearance, saying his comments had "gone beyond the point of acceptable debate.".

Happy Harvester

Hope you feel better soon, mkr. I'm very tired and going to bed. I don't think it's necessary to call people dumb for sharing their feelings and opinions on the matter because it's just as much an emotional issue as it is a "scientific" one. I do agree with the point you are trying to make about backing up what one argues with sound research. "Argument from incredulity" doesn't hold water in the world of scientists, true, but most of us here are not scientists; we're just friends learning and sharing ideas and experiences.

I think Richard Dawkins wrote a pretty good chapter on the issue of race - as mostly a social construct - in The Ancestor's Tale (and probably elsewhere).

Maybe we could all read that chapter and have a discussion on it? Or perhaps we could start some kind of online book discussion groups on some of the topics we like to discuss here with other jwd-ers? It might be fun, and good exercise for the mind.

Hope you get rid of your headache!